Its like a funhouse mirror of the Christianity I used to follow. I do, however, see how the dastardly could try and use the physical emotional responses to size up or groom a potential victim. WITCHES! Hybels is a man and he serves at the pleasure of the real King. Recently posted by the Chicago Tribune, which has tracked this story since breaking it in March: Two publishers suspend publication of books by megachurch pastor Hybels in wake of misconduct allegations.. Dave Dummitt This is part of the problem that the #metoo movement does not address. I underestimated their ability to constantly reinvent themselves to keep the money flowing. I did. I allowed links and discussion on Jodis open letter despite the fact that I found it insulting to true victims. The Holy Spirit, as Dee correctly said, does the work. The sheer resources at these (mostly) mens disposal. Im unclear about what faith journey means, but it sounds very Willow Creek. This is ALL so disappointing and disheartening. Is it that tough for you to give Bill Hybels any redeeming value? People not in the mega inner circle world dont understand it. Stop the Nonsense, WCC Trebuchet Club!!!! - And those who go on to attack the victims are generally clueless as to what the bible actually teaches. I hope someone captured that document. I recognized something was wrong with that, but for various reasons, didnt quite make the connection. During that meeting, an Elder told a WCA Board member that Willow Creek had no document retention policy. This was the first time either Board had heard about this arrangement, but both of these women told us separately that Bill had told them about this special arrangement years prior. Then read the story of Phillip and the Ethiopian Eunuch. predatory, calculated and manipulative all with a facade of kindness and mentoring. @ okrapod: IF NOTHINGS DOCUMENTED, IT NEVER HAPPENED AND YOU CANT PROVE A THING!!!!!. Hooray for David. It has bearing but perhaps not in the way that Jodi intends. Lather, Rinse, Repeat, Lather, Rinse, Repeat, Lather, Rinse, Repeat, Pingback: Some Thoughts on Supposedly Feminist Men Who Reportedly Abuse/Harass Women | futuristguy. Honest to Pete until this very discussion I thought that this was just the way that decent people behave. It is incredibly sad to see. Wondering if the old frog in the pot was happening at the church, including John Ortberg. @ AbuseCrusher: This is not Christianity. The next morning, Bill and I were the first ones at breakfast in the hotel. One-World ANYTHING is a recognition signal for End Time Prophecy Wack Job. Davids repentance was a magnificent example of repentance. Jesus wins. And I admit to being raised that public displays of affection between adults was not the best as it might make some uncomfortable. But, the cat is out the bag. How would it be possible to remain as a staff member and not address the issue? @ okrapod: @ Lydia. Does anybody know how much hugging it takes to facilitate which feeling, assuming that the response is does related? They need to do some reading. Lydia, not sure if that is sarcasm or? I scream enough already. Not at all but this bit sums up Hybels Leadership acumen we used to make fun of in the 90s. Conferences in exotic locales, entitlement, accolades, a volunteer workforce that actually gives you 10% of their earnings. Assuming TWW readers have spent some time absorbing background and details about Bill Hybels and the evidence from the women who came forward with accusations, what do you see as possible points and patterns with that case study, compared with those of Joss Whedon and Lawrence Krauss? I know that unwanted full frontal hugs was a part of abusive pastors manipulations of women in a small rural church. Bill asked her to have me call when I got out. People are saved to church. 1. This slavish devotion to a leader or organization is scary and given the size and influence of this church, what are they capable of? I do believe that there exist genuine sexual perverts, but we err when we naively believe that all who abuse particularly those in positions of power and authority who systematically abuse are merely acting out sexual impulses. But If you make a big deal about nothing, you are the problem. Surely someone from the WCC trebuchet club could have found somebody better at weaving a tale. Bye! Hence, it is easier to build a close-knit cult of people who really dont know each other that well. More of my thoughts here: http://www.divorceminister.com/nancy-ortberg-shares-her-side-rebill-hybels-allegations/. I find it a it off putting that anyone would keep a list of *how many have you led to Christ. Like the real estate/mortgage broker years ago who the day before the search warrant came down, backed up an industrial shredder van to their office for an all-day shred-everything party. Yet, recent expanded personal testimony and wider media discovery has presented material that strongly suggests an Willow Creek senior pastoral history of improper judgement in relation to proper scriptural leading or proper inner-workings of a church representing the teachings of Jesus Christ. I highly recommend it, as well as his book, I dont understand the focus by this and other commenters on when did she tell her husband, When I got to his room, Bill had wine opened and waiting. The creep factor never ceases to amaze me. What a biblically ignorant person you are, Brad. Well, to show you how prophetic I am, I predicted years ago that most mega churches would be car lots or community centers by now. Publishers are pulling back for a reason. Have you ever watched the news when the police pick up some guy who is a pedophile and all the neighbors say But he was so nice. @ Forrest: My bad. They did, however, write books, and traveled from local church to local church. Good night!!! Oh yeah. I dont know what you have been told but, according to the Bible, Jesus is the one who brings people to Himself. Shameful! In the meantime, Crossway is still publishing and selling C.J. Other women are coming forward. A seminary student molested a bunch of boys at my former church. And sadly most victims spend YEARS time trying to answer the question why they were targeted. WC is Hybels no matter how much they protest. You see pastor do something and you know its off, but you rationalize it away I mustve misunderstood what was going on. Down the road, you something else, maybe far worse comes up, you think Oh, pastor, hes a little quirky, but he means well. You then experience something genuinely alarming, you think Well, hes an imperfect man, but God uses us all, no ones perfect.. I wonder if churches have convinced themselves of the same. I dont know what mainstream is for this topic. Tsk.) come out of the woodwork. Bill Hybels and Willow Creek, Ravi Zacharias, Steve Timmis and Acts 29, Hillsong New York City pastor Carl Lentz, James MacDonald and Harvest Bible Chapel are just a few of the names I could list. Its amazing how many believers will interpret the metaphor of fruit differently, for example. What do you think that Rabbi from Tarsus meant when he wrote For Satan himself can transform himself to appear as an Angel of Light? I dont hug random people, but it doesnt bother me, unless it twitches over to creep territory. These have what I think are some significant parallels from which to consider some larger patterns. Sounds like he at the time did some things that outside of context would be perceived as unwise with co-workers. after the perps death before she told anyone. In April 2018, when Bill Hybels' scandal got out, John Ortberg turned on his former master . Recently she revealed that while she was in her 30s she was repeatedly sexually abused by her boss over an eight year period. Millions of dollars all. Enough is enough. We would have food, beverages, snacks, etc. This is about strange behavior which was tolerated because one guy knew how to build a church and bring in money. But I believe the women who have been abused by Bill Hybels are telling the truth. All about leadership, leadership, leadership. If you want to highlight, in every comment, this is not your blog. HE GOT AWAY WITH IT, SO CAN I! Youre not alone Lyds. Thanks for the link and summary, Barbara this sounds like noteworthy research on specific dynamics! @ dee: @ April Kasper: Sometime in the next two weeks, I am going to write a story about a woman who was raped by her husband. Yeah, right. Some will walk away all together from their faith journey. Our job is to sow seeds. Kind of surprised it was allowed to stand without edit or response. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bKkOke2noyc So pastor rock stars are way more dangerous. is lynne hybels still married to bill. Ive told her about the many intelligent comments here! ? Why not go public 4 years ago?? Hybels fell for him when he was on staff with Rob Bell at Mars Hill EMERGENT Church, in Grand Rapids. I do not buy Hybels IT excuse for one second. etc. Sexual predation is not based on *wanting to have sex. I really question what your true intentions are. They are pits of mass deception and subterfuge. However, I am not going to let every Tom, Dick and Joe Salitas to copy and paste the letter into this comment section. Shaping a church this way is an abomination, puts Hybels in very dangerous territory. But it is even harder when those left behind form a militia to hunt down and fire at anyone who dares to question the paradigm. Maybe Creekers should rethink that. People so manipulated, though wounded, never quite understand what is causing the pain. The difference is the internet makes it much harder to try to shame each of us in person individually.. Blogs such as WW are an encouragement to me. In Megas there are layers upon layers of protective bubble wrap for guys like Hybels. Kind of surprised it was allowed to stand without edit or response. And, are most people blowing this thing up bigger than it is. In 2001 my church began instituting #MLKWeekend in our annual church calendar, focusing on teachings of #MLK & the tragic legacy of systemic racism. Married: Spouse: Lynne Hybels (m. 1974) Son/Daughter: Yes (Shauna Niequist and Todd Hybels) Earning: $95,000 . John Ortberg served (1994-2003) as teaching pastor at Chicagos Willow Creek Community Church. Women get to decide if they want to be touched or not, and oh he did not mean anything by should never even have to be brought into play-in the workplace. So thats why I was interested in this concept. has been proclaimed against the Devil and his Witches. I wonder if her crisis of faith was after finding out about something shady Bill was doing? Satan loves false dichotomies, republicans vs. democrats, Calvinists vs. Arminians, traditional vs. contemporary, etc. 4 YEARS went by that John Ortberg learned about this issue Yes, Nancy may have not been sure when she had her experience.. with Bill in the hotel room. @ Davis and Natasha: And Pastor/Apostles Passive-Aggressive Attack Dogs (Tsk. Bill Hybels stepped down. Thats why its not overblown to discuss patterns of behavior over a 40 year period from different sources about a pastor who spent his career begging us all to look at me! Has anyone complained about inappropriate behavior from John Ortberg? During that meeting, an Elder told a WCA Board member that Willow Creek had no document retention policy. This was the first time either Board had heard about this arrangement, but both of these women told us separately that Bill had told them about this special arrangement years prior. Its their normal. It is about following a Rabbi who was despised and mocked and sent to the Cross. Betrayal, trust, etc. I dont know if that all makes sense. !) called Give Me That Christian Side Hug went near-viral. When I got up to leave Bill stopped me at the door and hugged/held me tightly for about thirty seconds. Maybe He is cleaning house. Time for some more sacred cows to get smashed. Bill has been married to Lynn Hybels since 1974. 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