Temptation Island: What Happened To David & Kate After Season 2? For three seasons now, Temptation Island has been a social experiment to see if long-term couples are able to fix their broken relationships by going on an island full of attractive singles. (Photo of Andrew; cell phone towers; photo of Shirley; maps; suburban street; photo of house; newspaper clipping; photo of Shirley; maps; cell phone tower; Shirley in court; court documents; flashing police lights; American flag. They have a network of supporters. CONTRIBUTED BY DAVID AND KATE BAGBY Sixteen years have passed but for the Bagbys the story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. I think about the Bagby family all the time. And we came back. Just from that, conversation, you could kind of get the sense that she didn't want Zachary, MORRISON: And for the Bagbys, Shirley issued what sounded somehow. We finally got a baby.. Mr. BAGBY: She just kept coming back, and coming back and coming back. Once David completed his engineering degree, the Bagbys were intent on starting a family. Kate, with her lovely British accent, moves between dry wit and devastating regret as she remembers. What if she is backed in a. corner? Go away.'. This is tragically cut with one of Andrew's friends remembering that he was never latewhich is how he knew, when Andrew didn't arrive to his house as planned, that something was terribly wrong. "At some point in the future, a judge will see this and research it and I'm hoping that it will protect minor children.". KATE: (Zachary hugging Kate) This is your Uncle Kurt. Time to keep marching, as David says, in order to be there for their grandson. In July 2002 she gave birth to a boy. And thus the decision from which all else followed. They watched the legal proceedings grind, infuriating and slow. I thought it was just going to chronicle a murdered man's life, for his son to reflect back on when he was older - because his father was killed before he was born. Zachary's arrival pierced the hatred toward Turner that flooded the Bagbys' lives after they lost their only son. On a shelf in the California home of David and Kate Bagby, sitting inconspicuously among some lovely china, are two urns. How could Kate Bagby from Sunnyvale have anything to do with murder? Its something that cant be forgiven, says Shears. But on Sunday, when he drove her to the airport, Andrew made it clear to Shirley it was over for good. She was placed on suicide watch after intake screening. decision. Mr. KUENNE: He liked playing bad guys a lot. Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) You don't like this answer, but I'm going to, give it to you again. Except he picked up as this reporter was leaving a voicemail explaining the call from Newfoundland to Sunnyvale, Calif. How could they dither for months and months. Once, she called him 30 times while he was at a pal's wedding. As someone very invested in this story, I am enjoying this book so far. Then, 8.5 months after Andrew Bagby was murdered - July 18, 2002 - Turner gave birth to a boy, who she named Zachary Turner. Yes, I went to great lengths to read this book and I'm glad I did! "Kate and I are very close and that helps. Apparently it takes years to extradite criminals from Canada back to the USA, and despite being wanted for a vicious murder Dr. Turner was granted bail (unlike in the USA nobody had to put any actual money up to guarantee Turner's release, all she needed to gain her freedom was talk a few friends into signing paperwork, despite being wanted for a brutal murder!) This is a fascinating,horrific and humbling read. On Aug. 16, Turner and the Bagbys took Zachary swimming at Bowring Park in St. Johns, Newfoundland. Their bodies were later washed up on a beach. ', Because I know you would be worried if we disappeared for a couple of days or, MORRISON: Was she planning something? Kate reacted with tremendous grief.. Kurt Kuenne embarked on the documentary following the murder of his best friend, Andrew. Unfortunately, it went out of print and is very expensive to purchase. ', Mr. SIMPSON: And I told him, I said, `You know, Andrew, when I break up with somebody and put them on a plane and send them 1300 miles away,' I said, `They knock on my front door, I'm going out the back door and I'm calling the police.' This is a heartbreaking book written about Andrew Bagby and also about his son Zachary by Andrew's dad David Bagby. Even after the reunion episode, where more information emerged about David's multiple hookups both on the show and afterward, Kate stuck by her man. MORRISON: What did you think that she would do, kill you? Even though I knew the outcome, the day the main incident occurs, I was still shocked when the pages finally reveal the events that lead up to that day. She's also a market partner with the Monat brand, which sells hair care and wellness products. He would always be sitting on that chair, there, Kate says, pointing to a stool at the kitchen breakfast bar, on the phone.. Reviewed in the United States on October 1, 2022. We're churning. By this stage, he had moved to a new job in the US. When he returned to the States, Shirley showed up soon after. She then murders said grandson in a murder-suicide. And I saw that night her malignancy. KATE: So this man said to me, `Do you know that Shirley Turner's pregnant with your son's child? Then, even if the court orders extradition, Canadas federal justice minister must decide whether to hand over the fugitive to U.S. authorities. There was a problem loading your book clubs. He just lit up when he saw Kate, David says. The watch was continued after a more comprehensive psychological exam. ago [removed] duraraross 5 mo. HEATHER: You are the most amazing, strongest people I've ever. Absolutely riveting.i couldn't put it down, and was completely draw in and addicted. MORRISON: Must have seemed like the enemy was in the camp. He'd been shot five times, including in the back of the head. In fact, Turner would travel frequently from Iowa to visit Andrew in Latrobe, something shed done the week before he was killed. Mr. BAGBY: She told the court she was afraid we would harm the baby. Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) (Unintelligible). Initially, Andrew's close friend Kurt Kuenne, a filmmaker, intended the film as a personal memorial and scrapbook so that Zachary could know the kind of person his father was. They have the memory of their son, Andrew, and the memory of his son, Zachary. MORRISON: But Shirley would make it tough for Andrew to do that. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Are you sure? He is campaigning to change Canadian bail law so no one charged with murder is allowed to walk the streets like Shirley Turner. Justice Gail Welsh justified allowing Shirley to walk because there was "no evidence" of Shirley having mental dysfunctions that made her a danger to society. The Bagby's lived a nightmare that no person should ever have to go through and I admire their courage and strength. to live with his father in a tiny coastal village hundreds of miles away. It's great. If she had her way, we would not have had any visitation at, MORRISON: Coming up, fighting not just to see their grandson, but. Unidentified Man #22: We will develop policy specific to children. "In a small sense we have found some peace and contentment," says David. '", "The murder has dominated our lives," says her husband, David, 63. Mr. SIMPSON: Things people should know about Andrew, he was never late. not only is Shirley Turner never held accountable for murdering Andrew, but she's allowed to keep primary custody of Zachary, ultimately resulting in his death. Very powerful story, artfully told. Instead, our system considers things like how recent a review is and if the reviewer bought the item on Amazon. This book is more about how the justice system failed and 2 more people are dead because of it. I wanted to read this book because I saw a snippet on MSNBC or one of those late night shows, (about the last 7-10 minutes of the show) that was actually the television version of what had taken place back in 2001. MORRISON: Despite it all, the Bagbys were thrilled to be living, with Zachary. She's very active online and has kept fans updated on her dating life, including her new man. Some months ago I watched the documentary, "Dear Zachery" on Netflix. When search suggestions are available use up and down arrows to review and enter to select. (Trailer park; parking lot; water; Kurt on boat; excerpts from "Dear Zachary"; houses seen through rainy window; Kate and Zachary). "It was like being at war," adds David. MORRISON: Because Zachary liked you best? David Bagby says there were no thoughts of suicide at the news of Zacharys killing. But that didn't erase their unease, or a remarkable feeling, (Shirley and Zachary at birthday party; David), Mr. BAGBY: I considered killing her myself, seriously considered it. Woman #11: Doesn't matter what happened. Mr. BAGBY: We fret and worried and everything. Mr. BAGBY: Oh, yeah. He and his wife also participated in a. Zachary thought he could just walk. She woke the baby and carried him up the stairs to her home, David recalls. MORRISON: When T.J. heard about Andrew's murder Mr. SHEARS: I just figure, `OK, well, he was in America. because it's hard to get off Newfoundland. Hed been shot five times. The Hornet was just back from patrolling the coast of Vietnam. Each decision is subject to appeal. At first, visitation was limited to one wonderful, torturous hour a week with Zachary. So, be prepared., The emotion that was shown was beyond description, really, Snow says. I was like, `Oh, OK, yeah.' With Shirley Turner out of jail it was time for the Bagbys to clench their teeth again. After helping Kurt Kuene with his documentary Dear Zachary: A Letter from a father to his Son I was honored that David Bagby sent me his book as a thank you. Newfoundland to meet the now 11-month-old little boy. MORRISON: And now that she was freed, Shirley would once again, Mr. BAGBY: We had to take him down the stairs and give him to, Shirley's friend, who happened to have a car seat. While battling the extremely long court system in Canada, they did all they could to keep things civil between themselves and the accused murderer of their son. True, heartbreaking story of a son's disastrous love relationship and the son his murderer bore. The provincial court has tightened bail regulations, but has not eliminated bail for murder suspects. ', MORRISON: But they'd have to wait almost a month. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I know you don't want to, you don't intend to. She worked as a doctor at the Memorial University of Newfoundland, in Canada, where Andrew trained. In November 2001, the body of a young doctor named Andrew Bagby was discovered in . Turner had not finished with the family yet. She called trying to get Andrew when he was here doing a rotation here in California. Christopher Snow, of St. Michael and All Angels Church, which the Bagbys attended in Newfoundland. Reviewed in the United States on January 15, 2017, This is a book written by David Bagby about the murder of his son by his mentally ill obsessed stalker Dr. Shirley Turner. I got to go to the trial. That's what Kurt does, he's an independent filmmaker. Andrew and Zachary's murders. That they survived such horrible adversity is a testament to their courage, resolve and love. She was coming here to take care of me. report that concluded the child protection system failed Zachary Turner. The 10 most expensive reported home sales in Hayward the week of Feb. 20, Four take plea deals in wild Brentwood homicide where victim suspects shot each other, Feds charge two with robbing two San Francisco banks during the same day, One dead, another wounded in Oakland shooting. There was an error retrieving your Wish Lists. Their sons killer was off the streets and their grandchild would come live with them. You can, just--there's nothing. KATE: I thought, `Well, God, this is it.' "You ask yourself, 'How could that happen?'". MORRISON: And, says T.J., in the way of her opportunities to be. Mr. BAGBY: I think it was a rage at the person who did this. It says that Pennsylvania detectives almost immediately focused on Shirley Jane Turner. How could a woman be in jail on a suicide watch one day and be taking care of his grandson the next? Mr. BAGBY: Oh, this ranks right up there. And in the meantime, without that crucial piece of evidence to charge her with Andrew's murder, Shirley Turner quietly left US soil and returned home to Newfoundland. Nobody drives 16 hours after you've just broken up with them.' in honor of his beloved friend Andrew, and then for Andrew's son, Zachary. First published in 2007, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss follows Andrew's family as they . So intense, horrifying, and yet inspired by the love and devotion of Andrews parents and their dedication to raise and teach their one and only sweet grandson. Not only do you get the whole story of how the justice system failed, but Dave goes on to explain how it should be fixed. ago This story broke my heart. Temptation Island: What Happened To Casey & Ashley After Season 2? Then you just get used to it.. At the final bonfire, David and Kate broke up, with Kateleaving the island aloneand David leaving with one of the single women, Toneata. It was part of a pattern summarized in the Canadian governments investigative report: Dr. For an optimal experience visit our site on another browser. especially long work day and dropped himself in front of the television. The ending was so shocking, I was screaming with David Bagby That bitch! In June 2003 the Attorney General ordered that Turner be extradited to the US. Much of this DATELINE report incorporates material from Kurt's documentary, as well as something else: the childhood films he made as he taught himself his craft. Snow. When they pulled up at Turners place, the mother slipped Zachary out of his car seat. In January 2003, the Canadian appeals court ordered her freed while the extradition case moved forward. HEATHER: I was so excited that he was dating somebody. At first, the Bagbys did not know whether to believe her. prayed that his murderer, whoever it was, would be swiftly brought to justice. David Bagby speculates that this was Shirley's idea of victory: when Andrew and Zachary both rejected her, she punished them. As the couple continued to date, Andrew complained to friends that Turner would not leave him alone. MORRISON: How did you find out what happened, how he had been killed? The governments report concluded that in all reasonable probability Turner was searching for a way to easily access the ocean along the rocky coast. Her former lover was found dead in a parking lot at Keystone State Park in Pennsylvania,northeast of Pittsburgh. And I said, `Who?' And we, would have agreed to anything. On Aug. 5, Turners social worker visited her apartment to check on Turner and Zachary. I didn't like her but I didn't think she was capable of murder.". She, floored by grief. He made sure to wrap Zachary in a blanket (rather than a bag) and kept him as far away from Shirley's corpse as he could. And if they don't charge her, they had no way to restrict her travel. The pain of having lost not only their son but now also their grandson was too much to bear. We had negotiated a one-hour-a-week visitation in family court. (Photo of David and Kate; airplane; lake and coast), MORRISON: But here's the thing. Wasn't anybody willing to step up(besides the Bagbys) and try to rescue that baby?? Well, I was hurt in an, accident. As far as Andrew was concerned, the relationship was a fling nothing serious. The youngster's death followed the killing of his father, Andrew Bagby the couple's only child. Andrews said he was inspired to act two years ago when he saw the documentary film Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father. He rarely posts on his private Instagram, so there's very little information about what his life has looked like after the show. To speed the process they agreed to conditions imposed by Turner, including that they be searched before every visit. Kate answered the phone, and she couldn't get off the phone for an hour. It is a priority for CBC to create products that are accessible to all in Canada including people with visual, hearing, motor and cognitive challenges. David and Kate Bagby must have been saints to have had to tolerate personal dealings with their only child's murderess,and basically have to groval to her to even see their precious only-ever grandchild.Yet,they did whatever they could for the sake of Zachary.Most people (myself included) would have made away with Shirley Turner the first chance they got.Why should they have even been put in that insane situation in the first place? I had a job I loved. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I have to tell you that Andrew is dead. Some of, those frames even at the dollar stores will say--there'll be little sayings on, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) if you want to say `Mommy and Daddy' on a. frame and stick a picture of me and Andrew in it, I don't know. And he was crying, so I went into the ladies room and sat there, KATE: Made her very angry. A man, who would not give police his name, called the Royal Newfoundland Constabulary to report that he had met Turner in a St. Johns bar and that he later had sex with her. That little boy, with the blue eyes and pudgy cheeks. Written by the father of the murder victim, you learn all the details that led up to his son's murder and the preventable murder of his grandson. They sometimes visited with Zachary and Turner as if nothing had happened. And she followed Andrew to St. John's. I saw the documentaryand I am speechless. No spoilers here for my friends but you must watch this film. David was taking pictures, Kate says. By 6 p.m. she left for Keystone State Park, where she and Andrew had agreed to meet after his hospital shift. Andrew Bagby, who never knew Turner was pregnant, was the father. Audio CD. We had to pack up Zachary, Mr. BAGBY: We just climbed right back upstairs and went to bed and melted. MORRISON: Was she taunting them, they wondered? Closed Captioning and Described Video is available for many CBC shows offered on CBC Gem. First she killed Andrew Bagby. Mr. KUENNE: You know, he said--she said, `Look, I'm not looking for another husband. Was inspired to read this book after watching the horrifying documentary "Dear Zachary". She. to the house and found a card from a police officer that we knew. I became very emotional with this horrifying tale of injustice. Shirley asked them to take custody of Zachary while she was gone. "This was our goal," said Bagby. Specific in nature? MORRISON: Kurt and Andrew grew up together in Northern California, where the fledgling director gave Andrew starring roles in some of his earliest ventures. Turner and Zachary were in the shallow kiddie pool. Unable to add item to List. Turner, despite being under orders to avoid contact with the couple, sent them photographs of the baby and a "baby book" so they could fill out their side of a family tree. As the Bagbys settled into their renewed life, Turner pursued an appeal of her November jailing. And I don't know, I just lay on top of her and we, MORRISON: T.J. opened the door to police, too, and heard the. And that's when she said, `He loves you, more than me. Did. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Then I can't consent to more time right now. (Supreme Court building; Shirley being escorted from court; photos of Kate and. At some point, police say, Turner tied the arms of her jacket together to lash Zachary to her as she walked carrying him. A tale of sorrow and survival. He didnt know what to make of it then. is a eulogy for a dead son, an elegy for lives cut tragically short, and a castigation of a broken system. So he came straight for me. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son about His Father is a 2008 documentary detailing the life and death of one Dr. Andrew Bagby, a resident at a family practice in Latrobe, Pennsylvania. Mr. SIMPSON: Andrew, you know you can do a lot better. At times, one would pull the other back from the brink. "We had to deal with her to get to Zachary.". The couple are still coping with the murders of their son and grandson. Unidentified Woman #11: I love them very much. granddad? They did everything they could, and more than most would be able to try to find justice for their son, while trying to care for Zachary in the worst possible circumstances. Shortly after Andrew's death, his friend Kurt Kuenne had started to a make a documentary about the murder, asking friends and family to share their memories of Andrew. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) It's either in my closet or my bedroom. But I used to look at her hand and think, it. And Shears says his mother was good to him when he was a child. killed herself and Zachary in a murder-suicide. It would be kind of upsetting, I guess, to let your son spend time. Now armed with a powerful tool, "Dear Zachary: A Letter, to a Son about his Father," the tribute film Kurt Kuenne started making, first. (Photo of Kate, Zachary and Shirley; photo of David, Zachary and Shirley; photo of Shirley and Zachary; photos of Zachary with Shirley and Kate), Mr. BAGBY: Our usual policy was just to let her go. David Bagby, who plans to send a copy of his book to key Canadian legislators, says he will continue to fight for bail reform. Click above for unlimited listening to select audiobooks, Audible Originals, and podcasts. And that was midafternoon. MORRISON: I never know what to think about these feelings that people get. They forged a relationship with the woman they believed killed their son so they could see Zachary, their only grandchild. On November 3, 2001, he broke up with Turner at the airport before putting her on a plane back to Council Bluffs, 1,300 miles away. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Would you be willing to turn the gun into your local police department so they could get it to us to let us look at it? Therefore be forewarned that the back of the book reveals exactly what happened, as does the book itself near the beginning. (Talking in group) This is not about money. It changes the Criminal Code, allowing courts to refuse bail for suspects accused of serious crimes when anaccused'schild or children under the age of 18 may be in danger. Tragically, this is proven exactly right when she kills Zachary. For one thing, Shirley, required the Bagbys to bring Zachary to visit her once a week in jail. David reacted with anger. Corporal GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, Dr. Turner, I'm Corporal Gardner with the Pennsylvania State Police. Please try again. Maybe the last time you talked to Shirley there was some very subtle change in tone. This hope is brutally extinguished when Shirley kills Zachary on one of her visitations. I have to tell you that Andrew is dead. The couple's long fight for legal changes in Canada ended Wednesday with a new law. It is recommended that you watch the film first before reading on (though do be warned it is NOT an easy or pleasant watch in the slightest. One of the first to meet Zachary was, (Photo of Zachary Turner; wedding dance; photo of Shirley and Zachary; photo. "This is it recognition by the legal community, which includes Parliament, that bail had something to do with Zachary's death. David, the analytical engineer with the scientific mind. I, Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) Look, we will do what is best for Zachary. show takes four couples who are having trouble. You could see Andrew in that boy. "The law had let her out on the street and let her keep formal custody of the baby," says David. Andrew Bagby was an easygoing man with a wide circle of friends who found it almost impossible to say no to people. The decision was put on hold, however, with an appeal hearing scheduled for September. Memorial University Medical School. MORRISON: When somebody tells you that your mother may have--was a suspect Mr. SHEARS: No, it has to be a mistake. MORRISON: But would that somebody turn out to be a blessing or a curse? Keith Morrison reports. He was especially delighted to hear that David and Kate Bagby are once again hauling out boxes of Christmas decorations that went unused for so long. The legal system helped her kill Zachary. For more information, please see our Yes,they were innocent as well, but I feel it takes a big person to rise abouve it all and not harbour animosity towards those people. Very brave parents. I have some hope that telling this story in detail has a chance to cause change in the law, David says of his book. This story is about how the justice system in Canada failed the Bagby's -- not only when it comes to extraditing the murderer of their only son, but in aiding the murder of their only grandchild, Zachary -- their last living link to their son. I'm sure she died thinking she had won, but I also hope her she is living her justice now, in hell. ', KATE: He's so loved. IMDbPro Starmeter. Colleagues warned him to go to the police but, instead, after work that day he drove to a car park to meet her. The court allowed the Bagbys supervised visits with Zachary. IE 11 is not supported. The 28-year-old California native, a family medical practice resident, died Nov. 5, 2001. With Zachary strapped to her stomach with a sweater, she jumped into the Atlantic Ocean. Why didn't the many people who witnessed Shirley Turner's disturbing behavior and intense wrath make an issue in the courts more of it? Understood? When Turner arrived in Canada, she moved into an apartment in St. Johns with her college-age son, T.J. Shears. In November 2001, the body of a young doctor named Andrew Bagby was discovered in Keystone State Park outside Latrobe, Pennsylvania, five bullet wounds in his face, chest, buttocks, and the back of the head. And now it's just. He has clearly done his research of the law and proposes many ways that this type of tragic event could be prevented in the future. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on March 12, 2018, Reviewed in the United Kingdom on September 28, 2017. MORRISON: Winter is capricious in Newfoundland; repeatedly, spring is briefly offered and then taken back again. Zachary Andrew Turner was born July 18, 2002. He was the whole world to them. From the first episode, it seemed Kate was more invested in the relationship than David. KATE: (Audio recording) Right. In the fall of 2002, Turner and her lawyer agreed that the Bagbys should gain temporary custody of Zachary if Turner were sent to jail. murderer in check. (David; Kate and Zachary; Shirley and Zachary). Though David and Kate ultimately did not find their happy ending on Temptation Island, they both seem to be in a better place since the show aired. She was born to the late th He grew into a smart kid, an Eagle Scout who loved to read. But a few weeks later, she showed up in Pennsylvania, unexpected, for the wedding of one of his friends. It, (Photo of Shirley; Shirley, Zachary and David; photos of Shirley and Zachary). The other, their grandson, Zachary Turner. But with special people, yes. Mackenzie is particularly fond of Survivor, which she has been watching ever since she was born. MORRISON: Andrew was the only child of software engineer David Bagby and his wife, Kate, a nurse practitioner. endure another round of grief when Turner has another psychotic episode and drowns herself in the ocean along with Zachary. KATE: (To Zachary) Kurt knew your daddy when he was a little boy. Reviewed in the United States on October 26, 2016. For fans of true crime, this is the perfect book for you. I sat there. And I, wanted to scream, `My son's life is on hold forever, and you have the audacity, to apologize to this accused murderer?' KATE: And she went over in the corner crying, and I gave him back. In November 2001, the body of a young doctor named Andrew Bagby was discovered in Keystone State Park outside Latrobe, Pennsylvania, five bullet wounds in his face, chest, buttocks, and the back of the head. . You know how loved ones you've lost take on sort of a rosy glow in your memories? Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) Just got up. 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