Then why was the old version called British Railways, not Great British Railways, and why the change now for the new version if British Railways worked . I still think" Great British Railways" will be mostly likely be termed GBR, most of the time. You are using an out of date browser. it remains to be seen if their just gonna bite the bullet and conform the entirety of rolling stock on the GBR network to a nice Blue and Cream livery. the report stated that there would be some update to the double arrow, though not what that update would be. Maybe a "way out" arrow similar to Thameslink's station signage could make it more exciting, while also adding a bit more functionality? Later regional variations included some interesting changes for the Class8P passenger types in particular. Something will need to be kept open for Open Access Operators to be distinguished. Of course it's possible to do better, but I'd argue there are bigger priorities as long as the signage is fit for purpose. "Image of No.47163 with Silver Jubilee Union Jack", History of Blood and Custard (Crimson Lake & Cream) Livery, Information on Freight Locomotive Liveries & logos, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=British_Rail_corporate_liveries&oldid=1136093401, Articles with unsourced statements from December 2014, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0. In the days of signs being hand painted/stencilled on enamel I would agree, but it is so much easier to make stuff look good these days that there is really no excuse for this sort of thing. Due to the small number of units repainted it was common to see trains with two or more units in different liveries. [9][10] Several other Class 47 locomotives, some Class 31s, and even some DMU cabs, were subsequently also painted by Stratford with grey roofs, the variation becoming something of a trademark for the depot. Theres no vote in Northern Ireland for him or his Conservative party so he doesnt care, hes hands off.. From July 1956 the Southern Region began using a 'coaching stock' green that was somewhat darker than the malachite green colour of the old Southern Railway and this extended to former Southern vehicles as well as Mk1 stock. It really does look dire. Plus what is one persons opinion of a great livery will be different to the next. Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; I wanted to go for something modern yet flexible. The colours were chosen to be different from those of any of the "Big Four" pre-nationalisation railway companies while retaining a traditional aspect. Cross Country merged with EMT to form a brand called Midland Connect. [3] Goods (freight) services are operated by a number of companies, the descendants of those created during the 1990s privatisation. [11][12], The location for GBR's headquarters is currently being determined. The Great British Railways Transition Team (GBRTT) seeks to deliver the most ambitious changes to our railways in a generation, working with the government and across the rail sector. It highlighted different ways in which Westminster could invest in Britain's strategic transport network to better-integrate the nation. https://twitter.com/MrTimDunn/status/912009372292780033. Heh. Dedicated station management teams will be created within regional divisions of GBR to manage stations and land. But we know that anyway - ScotRail is blue based, as was Regional Railways. What is wrong with different routes and regions having different liveries? JavaScript is disabled. Quick reference Livery Guide for Nameplates and transfers available in 4mm/00 scale. | Page 23 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. Corridor coaching stock was originally trialled in LNWR coach plum and off-white (nicknamed Plum and Spilt Milk) before Crimson (carmine red) and Cream livery (nicknamed Blood and Custard) was adopted across the network; non-corridor stock was painted plain Crimson. The easiest way to guarantee readibility at night would be to use retroreflective coatings, like those used on road signs. Correct. 3,609. thomalex said: One of the big ones is an end to endless rebranding of trains when the operator changes with various bit of old livery hanging about for a long time, never mind the cost and waste involved. In 1956 an all-over darker maroon, which more closely resembled the pre-nationalisation LMS livery, was re-introduced, except for the Southern Region, where locomotive-hauled stock was generally painted 'coaching stock' green (from July 1956-on) and a small number of express carriages on the Western Region which were in traditional GWR-style chocolate and cream. Why not capitalize on it? Privacy Noticeand Website Accessibility. The smokebox, running plate, and running gear remained black, and the bufferbeam remained red. At the formation of British Railways on 1 January 1948, early diesel and electric locos and the gas turbine locomotives 18000 and 18100 were already painted black with aluminium trim, but by the late 1950s this had been superseded by the same shade of green that was used on express passenger steam locomotives, although some locomotives were painted in a two-tone Brunswick and Sherwood green livery, and Southern Region electric locomotives were painted a light shade of malachite green. Great Central Railway {} Sample: 002366: Great Eastern Railway {} Sample: 00a550: Great Northern Railway (Great Britain) {{GNGE colour}} Sample: 00645b: Great Northern and Great Eastern Joint Railway {{GWGC colour}} Sample: 47640f: Great Western and Great Central Joint Railway {} Sample: 964b00: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Western. In many ways having a 'Railway System' logo (the double arrow) for stations/journey planners but a different logo so people know the train is a 'big' intercity train or a 'small' stopping train is very helpful. The final decision was to be made later in 2022,[16] but the result has not been announced as of February 2023. A commonly mistake to make, but one that can easily upset the locals! Goodbye. [5][6], The new GBR organisation was proposed under the WilliamsShapps Rail Review,[7] which was published as a white paper on 20 May 2021. The WilliamsShapps plan recommended that there will be a single, unifying brand for railways, and it is expected that this will be a gradual rebranding over time. Free delivery for many products! A throwback to the 70s and 80s can sometimes work, but not often, but I think. 1948 -. The standard livery for most British Railways steam locomotives was black, often with a thin red, cream and grey "lining" (trim), while express passenger locomotives were not painted "Brunswick Green" (Which was the former colour of the Great Western Railway) as is often stated, but were painted in British Standards: BS224 "Deep Bronze Green" also known as "Land Rover Deep Bronze Green LR001" with orange and black lining. Class 35 'Hymek' D7017 restored to 1960's green & lime livery. For me, it's time to sign off from the Great Western Railway Line. The creation of Great British Railways (GBR) has been dubbed as the end to "a quarter-century of fragmentation" and a means to provide "accountable national leadership". There are some good brands out there - gWr for example is a superb piece of marketing prowess, alongside the "friendly nostalgia" of the Famous Five advertising. On the face of it, this is primarily a reorganisation of the franchise system in England control over passenger franchises in Scotland and Wales is, alas, devolved. Not sure but I was also thinking of the winding up arrangements that would've taken place at privatisation i.e. The old BR liveries look dated now and have done for a while. No complaints really over the Rail Alphabet, I even like seeing it on old BR signage that still exists here and there. Also, like I said, it's possible that they legally can't call it BR. Unfortunately, there is little sign that Beattie actually intends to do anything differently, in this regard at least, to the Democratic Unionists he hopes to supplant. The 1948 trials brought LMS Class 5s, and GWR Kings and Castles in lined light green and lined blue, with incorrect suggestions that two different blues were used. I would rather that operations were branded similar to how they are now, but with a few changes compared with the existing TOC areas as follows: Chiltern Railways renamed as Chiltern & Oxbridge, with brand used on all planned EWR services in addition to those from London Marylebone. don't see an issue anywhere, as long as the concessions stay branded with whatever. The purpose of this call for evidence was to develop an understanding of how much of the current and future market demand for freight could be met by rail, and the role rail can play in the nations supply chains. Regional divisions will manage concession contracts, stations, infrastructure, and local and regional budgets, integrate track and train, and integrate rail with local transport services. It does because it's public perception. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Managed to get a look at a new proposed one: But my point is that DB have had the same basic livery for so long. Still makes me cringe everytime I see/read 'Great' in front of anything British since this mob got in. The XP64 train was used to test technology and carriage arrangements for the planned Mark 2 coaches. It's the name of the island ffs. The British Isles is a the collection of European islands consisting of Great Britain, the island of Ireland, Isle of Man and the northern islands that are part of Scotland. The government has promised to base the organisation outside London to promote economic growth and skills in a region beyond the capital. The rail system is no more a public service than coach companies or supermarkets. Eastfield TMD staff near Glasgow also embellished a few examples of the class 37/0's allocated to the depot with a lower bodyside white stripe in the mid-80s but were told to stop doing it and repaint the ones they'd already done back to the standard blue livery by the BR hierarchy. People are understandably sceptical about the frequent rebranding . As part of this work, the team engaged with industry through a formal call for evidence. In 1986 the British Railways Board divided its operations into a number of sectors (sectorisation).The sector responsible for long-distance express trains assumed the brand-name . For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Also on the Eastern Region, Class 55 Deltic locomotives based at Finsbury Park acquired white surrounds to their cab windows. I reckon a simple logo like the one youve depicted will be what we see. All Regions. Instead, I just added an icon next to the full text and removed it from the main station name. It isnt hard to believe that there may be some truth to the suggestion that Johnson would be less cavalier in his treatment of Ulster if it returned even a handful of Government MPs. It will also control the contracting of passenger train services, the setting of fares and timetables, and the collection of fare revenue, with the exception of services wholly within Scotland and Wales. It may not display this or other websites correctly. The concession contract system will be the long-term replacement for the previous system of passenger rail franchising run by the Department for Transport, which became unsustainable early in 2020 during the COVID-19 pandemic. Eastern, North Eastern and Scottish. But then every time I look at a train, I'll think of a bus. Historic fact is that Roman Britain was England & Wales and the name Great Britain was adopted once Scotland joined, even though today we may refer of GB as just Britain. It's not going to be called Rail England and if it was, there'd be nothing "Queen Nicola" could do about it. [7], GBR will use a slightly modified British Rail Double Arrow and the Rail Alphabet 2 typeface for branding. I agree I think the NR logo in the circle looks better, but GBR is such a mouthful - its just latent fear of the British Rail brand. WMT (operationally separate from LNWR by this point) brand to be used additionally on XC services to Nottingham and Leicester (stopper only). I'd go along with that from a "looks right" perspective, but it would be almost impossible to see from (for instance) inside a train in darkness. Which does what it says on the tin. We need a sense of professionalism and togetherness, one branding brings that. Well Id have thought it might be GBR Northern or GBR Southern. The Tories, particulary this present mob of throwbacks, have long since co-opted the "great" in "Great Britain" to mean "very good"and it's xenophobic, imperialist undertones me me want to vomit. Class 01 01002 inside Holyhead Breakwater shed in early black livery. Most of the coverage has focused on this. Consisting of three shades of grey and thus known as "triple grey Railfreight", the livery included logos on the sides and cabs of locomotives indicating which sector they belonged to. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; It really wouldn't. JavaScript is disabled. All HS2 and NPR services to be branded as Intercity Express. Why do most people go for a car that is mostly all one single colour. This was later modified for locomotives allocated to the Civil Engineer's department to include a yellow stripe on the upper bodyside, the resulting livery being known as "Dutch" due to its similarity to the corporate colours of the Nederlandse Spoorwegen.[18]. Given the furious backlash over the Protocol, as well as the ill-managed disappointment that was the two parties 2010 link-up (under the awful acronym UCUNF), one can understand why Northern Irish politicians shy away from the Tories. Although from the mid-1960s to the 1980s the organisation was associated with "Rail Blue", a number of other schemes were also used, especially when it was split into operating units or "sectors" in the mid-1980s. One overarching brand, with sub brands sitting below it, for long distance services and regional brands all under the GBR moniker, much like we do today with Southern, South Eastern, South Western, Northern, etc. Because it's not going to be the same as BR. I personally like this Lion logo posted by Tim Dunn on twitter a few years ago, Not at all. [13], On 5 February 2022, the Department for Transport launched a public consultation for the location of GBRs headquarters. Or the awful corporate blue BR? A number of sets of coaching stock and a handful of locomotives received the livery, as well as most new multiple units and some existing ones. Except their is massive nostalgia for BR days. The British Rail Class 31 diesel locomotives, also known as the Brush Type 2 and previously as Class 30, were built by Brush Traction from 1957-62. This is "straight out of 1975": I'm inclined to disagree there. Then theres the question of livery. No.31271 in Railfreight "triple grey" livery with Construction sector markings. Not even all yellow fronted anymore. What possible negatives are there to none enthusiasts? The livery was applied only to some Class 309 "Clacton" units on the former Eastern Region and to a few of Classes 411 (4Cep), 419 (MLV) and 421 (4Cig) on the former Southern Region. I imagine the LNER and GWR branding will be around the longest, as its allready kind of govt created and most in line with DfT standards. Instead, I just added an icon next to the full text and removed it from the main station name. 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