I know people who know or knew people is not a valid argument. Dianes story does not contradict that. They should have looked for a possible accomplice and checked all the leads. I actually can relate to things she did and was like, especially chasing after a guy that dont want youi did one night stands during my chase..to try to get over himits was a dumb idea and really made things worse, but it made sense at the time. So there was a transfer, but nothing else was found. I am glad you read it anyway and I appreciate your comment. I saw that same face in Diane Downs. I wasnt there and the records will never be brought to light as far as the child welfare case. I care about the experts reports written about Diane because they know her situation and mental state. Not in this case. They should have taken their timeto investigatethis case thoroughly and without prejudice. Considering that the marks on the lethal bullets did not fit the bullet fingerprinting found in the rifle, this gun switcheroo was a good save for the state, but did not support the theory presented at trial either. Yes, dad relinquished his rights but he knew that they loved their grandparents and had allowed Diane to take them for a visit without telling the authorities. You cannot skip due process because of mob mentality. Wow does he ever look different than how they portrayed him in the TV movie. So move on. Christie was born in October of 1974 and Cheryl Lynn in January of 1976. Detective Antoine also performed a trace metal test on Diane I S hands to detect the presence of trace metals left after someone has touched or held something metallic like a gun (Appendix 65). The circumstances surrounding the crimes against these innocent children demand to be used as evidence.. My comment to you Lise is about your reply to a previous comment where you say Diane should have been released by now regardless of her statements. Wasnt he the stranger? This case flew under my radar so to speak because it happened before my time. Her 7 yr old daughter was already dead, her other 2 children were in critical condition. He asked her for the car keys and she pretended to throw them away to distract him. But showing no remorse is part of claiming her innocence and part of the vicious circle of parole hearings. That is not a quick process and is very invasive to a familys privacy. If they could not find the gun or any trace of a shooting on Diane, and you think shes guilty, it would mean she had an accomplice. I know that most people think she is guilty. GSR can easily fall off just by brushing your hand against a surface. It does seem time has done worse to her. The bitches own daughter identified Downs as the shooter. Fingerprints at the crime scene were not produced by the State. If you have an opinion on drugging a child to make her talk, a judge presiding over a criminal case when he was in family court and removed the children from the defendants or the forensics, ballistic, etc. If Diane was bipolar, the non-stop chatter would have been inherent to the situation. For the upcoming Halo TV show, original Master Chief voice actor Steve Downes was recast, despite Cortana voice actor Jen Taylor reprising her role from the iconic video game franchise. You simply are a rude individual looking for a reaction. He hired Jim Jagger on the 1st of June 1983, 11 days after the shooting. Take your smugness elsewhere, at long last. Diane changed her story about the stranger on the road. I would like to believe this is the truth. CMOH said 2 doses = minimal protection against infection . Hugi got the evidence needed to convict after numerous meetings with Christie. I dont know how familiar she was with the area, but I do not think that it matters anyway. Was that Annes fault as well? I cant believe that it was allowed to happen, actually. Dilantin is known to cause mental confusion and you can check it online, but consider the dosage she was on and it needs no clarification. Once again, Diane said a lot of things. And she clearly remembered the April 1983, rape that Mr. Downs would later refer to as love making. Diane clearly would have had to have had her rights terminated by the court. You can believe what you like. I think u need to read the facts. Someone found guilty of a crime should have a sentence that can be served and not one that is contingent on the remorse shown. The case was so one sided that it is about time some of us bring up the other side. She never mentioned that before, and she doesnt mention the FBI agents name. And if you claim your innocence, it obviously creates a vicious circle of not showing contrition. She signed an affidavit to that effect and wanted the jury informed of it but it was never done. Id like to challenge some of the bloggers claims. Nothing came from Diane herself. She had not fired a gun. I asked her brother James an answer to your question. I was also stunned that she took the reports of all of Dianes ( mostly married) ex lovers as absolute truth and never once questioned that they might have been lying and retrospectively minimising their feelings for Diane to protect themselves. If the answer is, to keep the public safe, then I call BS. Late Tom Billings had been the first who openly questioned Diane Downs guilt. 3) You have a photo of Diane before the parole board. I personally disagree with that practice but it is common. View theaffidavits. It is my hope that Leslie Van Houten and Diane Downs are never paroled. Basically, I dont believe the site owner has produced enough proof of anything. Diane was cooked the minute she walked in that courtroom. Then, they accused her of shooting her kids at close range. They made her out to be a monster, but in Beckys case, it becomes redeemable. Any thoughts on that? (LOL!! The US is a very strange bird when it comes to crime and punishment. The harm done to families by unscrupulous district attorneys who bully children into falsely testifying against their parents has been recorded in a documentary called Witch Hunt by Sean Penn about Kern County (CA) District Attorney Ed Jagels. I like to believe the best about people too but there are certain things that absolutely cant be ignored. 6. Halo Infinite. The court can just do an APR, Assignment of Parental Rights. It is said that they didn't go to Steve because he wasn't a fit father or well equipped to take care of children who had gone through such a traumatic experience. Two wrongs do not make a right but illustrates that she should have never been coerced before, during or after the trial. At that timeand now!! If the police department had done their job properly, I would not have written this blog, no matter the outcome. The prosecutor didn't even know that after the Mother's Day road rage incident in 2020, Rivas was charged in Maryland with leaving the scene of another accident involving bodily injury. The Cinemaholic reports that Steve was often known for being immature and irresponsible, something that didn't see their rekindled relationship get off to the best start. Diane doesnt believe Rebecca is her daughter, rather a media puppet ran by Rule. Up. Have you actually read the transcript of the trial?? But I am so tired of the enough time has been served and other criminals have been paroled. (Yes in the 1980s a ten yr like myself was not as mature as say todays 10 yr olds. And Im really not on the fence the little girl was coachedI believe the ex husband , his freinds, and her lovers were invalid either way. And she should be allowed parole! No one bothered with these details so I did. You are right. Most people described Dianes injury as minor or superficial but in reality, it was a very serious injury. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPLkIcSzftE&ab_channel=DianeDownsArchives. Wow. It is not a run of the mill case. And what happened to her little daughter is beyond unethical. I am not sure of the exact timing of Dianes accusations but the Downs family did not only include the grandparents and they were never considered even before this nonsense. Ffs maybe u should go back to writing screenplays. She had been the bread winner for most of her marriage, and never wavered in her desire to bring financial stability to her family. While Rules book is biased, it was a look into the view of those who wanted justice for those children, wether you agree w/ their conclusion or not, that was their goal. From what we know about Becky, she had chosen a difficult path and Diane was trying to warn her. The guy should have walked away from the case or from adopting them. I think that you are right about certain things not being ignored. So she warns her to stay away. She wanted a lawyer to defend her vigorously but the judge stopped her from getting good representation. Maybe that her mom was obviously not well after spending her life in prison so it would have been a good idea to meet the Downss family quietly and get the jest of it. In fact, Knick admits Diane took that gold chain as collateral against a $500 LOAN she made to him. The Lifetime channel constantly makes movies based loosely on the truth; this approach is an effective weapon aimed at swaying public opinion about high-profile cases. Her children were obviously more severely injuredbecause being captive in the car while a shooter aimed at them gave them less of a chance to wiggle out of the situation than an adult outside the car. Regina, I love your comment! BUT the babies were put in Foster Care before any allegations were made Family has defended and backed Diane for her Innocence clearly from day one The state took them away from all family because family was and is the enemy They both would fall in love and decide they want to marry each other. As for where he is now, we'll be honest, we're not completely sure. time it was the situation was down. Too bad she did not interview Diane or her family. The states own witness, Dr. George Suckow and Dr. Polly Jamison denounced Prosecutor Hugis practice as improper and unethical (Appendix 101 and 104). They came up with an explanation as to why this was the wrong gun but the jig was up. They went after Diane at trial for tapping her foot when they played Hungry like the wolf. Then ask yourself if thats how you want your son to grow up. http://www.dianedowns.com/Dr.%20Jamison%20affidavit.pdf. I lived in Eugene, Oregon for years. Nowadays, this insanity would never be tolerated. Completely unethical, and not in the best interest of those children. So they did everything in their power to slant the media and the public in their favor. Knick had NOT signed the premarital agreement, but that didnt stay his pursuit of Diane, knowing she was moving 1200 miles away. So I did not post your comment about his answer to your inquiry. The fact that she was driving five miles per hour to the hospital says it all as a mother myself, I dont care how hurt or mentally damaged I was, I would drive that car 100 MPH to get my children to safety. Her father passed away in October 2017 after having fought relentlessly for her release. Lise,,,,, yes you did. tell someone else. We will never know what really happened because the authorities acted too hastily and the media was a huge hindrance. You were not there and one thing I have learned about high profile cases, is that you cannot always believe what the media, biased detectives and Ann Rule have to say. The popular TV movie Small Sacrifices was based on Ann Rules book and it painted a horrid picture of the mother accused of shooting her children on Old Mohawk Road. This website supports restorative justice, so of course it leans towards sentences that are not life without parole if it is supported by a warden and mental health specialists. Criminalist James Pex was pretty clear about this. I am just curious. A prosecutor inventing a new psychiatric category in court and labeling the accused is kind of unsettling. She was found guilty. But without proof, Diane couldnt implicate Steve Downs any more than she could shoot him as he violated a restraining order threatening to beat her AGAIN. Much worse. They were in a difficult situation becausewithout evidence, they could notcharge her for the crime. That wasn't all that stood in their way, as Diane eventually ran away from home. Wasnt it speculative on their part? It was faulty. Even if they say that she did not get involved in rehabilitation programs, she did participate, but obviously did not admit to killing her daughter and injuring the others. why didn't steve downs get custody. To this day, there is not enough evidence to prove her guilt or innocence. Very little is definitively known in this area. She was extremely intelligent but her emotional IQ was no match and her desire for freedom, love and affection were dangerously dragging her down a path of self-destruction. A. I told Diane before, but I certainly didnt tell her to Her flat affect is even more pronounced now and it did her in at the time, but she was lucid enough to clearly see that Rule and the media used Becky for their personal gain. What about the judge stopping a defendant from getting a new attorney? The tape is real and probably not admissible, but it seems to indicate that her testimony was coerced: Why is it not admissible? The BBC weather presenter, 60 . I am pointing them out. Nevertheless, what was done seemed out of our hands and we could have no contact with them at all. I say these things if I were on the jury. She had been isolated from her whole family and being unethically interrogated. Mission accomplished. Whether or not Mrs. Frederickson could have attacheda clinical lab to Dianes not being herself the day the Detectives pressured Diane to accompany them, the fact is Diane was clearly suffering the residual effects of that chemical poison in her system. We make them president. you quoted what diane said as to what happened When she resisted, he shot her kids and struggled with her. She s. .well yay for youtubelol..is when I first heard her in old interviews. When a unicorn and hungry like the wolf make their way into a court room during a high profile trial, its a red flag. When she resisted, he shot her kids and struggled with her. She could have stayed on the side of the road. The case is old and the blog dated, but it is never too late to respond. Even if I have no doubt that Hugi loved the kids, we have to wonder why he adopted them two years later just when little Christie started saying she had no clue who shot them. I think that the US system is barbaric But you told Diane Downs to go ahead and get an apartment? While that makes her technically eligible for parole at some point (in her case 2009) it does not actually mean she has an end date or a release date. I have worked in Child Protection for over 20 years and have extensive experience in this field domestically and internationally. They played the tape in the courtroom, and the fact that Diane did not break down but tapped her foot to the music, was supposed to be another proof of her guilt. How could Christie say anything but the things they told her to say with that kind of influence? This is a fascinating and informative article that has answered some questions I had, and prompted others: 1. I mention in my blog that when her adoptive dad said that she was coerced and thats why she said she did not know who shot them, that of course she was because this is what she does when under pressure. The courts were divided in the 80s, family court, traffic court, criminal court, juvenile court I dont believe they ran out of judges to preside over them all. It was not unlike brainwashing. Phenobarbital was administered alongside the Dilantin. A. I dont recall telling her to get an apartment. Diane had siblings and parents. Van Houten has made her choices and needs to own up to her actions and stop putting all the blame on drugs and Manson. The blog tries to bring balance and more objectivity to a case that was TOTALLY one sided and still is. Yes, Christie said she did not know who did it. Speculative? The weird behavior (laughing and joking in the shooting reenactment), bullets found at her home and the constant changing of her story only is icing on her guilty cake. They believed the testimony of her former boyfriends who were far from stellar individuals. Thank you for presenting a side of the story & case apart from the usual narrative. Johns Hopkins said lockdowns reduced deaths by 0.2%. TIL On May 19, 1983, Diane Downs shot her three children and drove them at 5-7 mph to the hospital. Someone can have an evil vibe and not be guilty of a crime. I am posting Jamesanswer: Yes the allegations were said and you cannot take back what was saideven if retracted So it was a relentless game totry to reel her in. Fred Hugi was pretty upset when Ann Rule went Hollywood with his case. It probably was not salacious enough for her readers that she polled online to establish if there was enough interest in the story to fill her pockets with a definite blockbuster. All the years in prison probably made her way more disturbed than she ever was. Or why the fact that he was a con artist made him such a credible guy in this case. Do you remember probably about four or five days after And on this site, I mention that I take a restorative approach. It seems that everyone commenting just knows shes guilty, like you say. At the time, among 49 prisoners denied parole, the board had given only four inmates, including Downs, a 10-year wait. More often than not, Christie was interviewed by State Agents (Paula Krogdahl, Paul Alton, Steve Downs and Dick Tracy) within half an hour of having her Dilantin increased. 1) Gunshot residue/blood splatter. Ur not showing facts that Ann Rule lied n misled n ruined lives with. That was the extent of her investigation of Dianes side. It should be removed from the blog. No, Im not that gullible, Okay, I just read that she faked throwing her keys. Or that the sketch did not resemble the suspect enough? She was harshly judged because of her demeanor. . Nothing in this blog claims Diane is innocent. more on crime HEARTBREAKING FIND The Office star's sister-in-law found dead 11 days after going missing 'DISGUSTING' The prosecutor and his wife adopted both children that survived and although the boy is paralyzed and in a wheelchair, they trived with their new parents. Christie became the star witness against her mother and who could resist such a touching testimony? But he overestimated the kind of people that would go along with this soap opera. I appreciate the way you dont try to determine guilt or innocence in your blogs but instead focus on due process and the right of all to a fair trial. I believe DDs case needs to be re looked at and all evidence reviewed. A test for the presence of gunshot residue conducted on Dianes hands the night of the shooting, returned a negative result (Appendix 23). I hope they have. A slightly humorous observation is that you said, and others have, that James Haynes physically resembled the sketch. Oh 1 more thing I see a lot of comments on pro Diane web sights that say well she drove them to the hospital. ), years in solitary confinment Whats wrong with us?! I understand that the authorities were afraid to leave the two remaining children under her care if they thought she was guilty, but they could have been released to the grandparents or other blood relatives with supervised visits from their mom considering that she was not charged with any crime. One of the more bizarre scenes in this farce of an investigation was about to unfold. This is also a faster route to give the children permanency, and is far cheaper for the child welfare system that is always strained by the budget. She talked to Diane for 15 minutes, there was thebizarre and partialOprah interview that was basically a lets bash Diane event and she wrote to Diane in jail to ask her what she thought of Hugi adopting her children. I saw footage of Diane herself laughing during the re-enactment of the crime. (that one is more of a question). That single fact collaborated by a witness, convicts her for me. Sometimes it takes until late in life for connections to be made again. Without the media blast and rush to judgment from the police and DAs office, we might have uncovered the truth. No conflict of interest from a prosecutor adopting a defendants children 2 years after the fact? Our legal system is not perfect. (I know that wasnt brought up this time but it usually is.) I felt there was something that should be done, but I was at a loss in how to cope with the Court that had given the children to the prosecutor and allowed false testimony to seal her fate. The children were in the hospital, it isnt like they could have taken them home. If you read the blog, you will see many examples of media hype and character assassination. In reply to Kit Diane was in the hospital for a bone graft from June 2nd until June 6th, 1983. That is pure bullshit. You seem to believe everyone is innocent. The fact that the DA adopted the children, since it was after the trial, is more of a gray area. From what Ive read, she gets a parole hearing every decade and the next time in 2030 she will be 75. After all, she was conditioned this way. And their plan worked. So yes I think she did it, I think ration left her a long before she did itI think post pardum played in this, I think, she was scattered all over the map.againjust hearing it in her own words. I will not remove anything. In fact, I am surprised that people are not flabbergasted by the way this case was handled and tried and that what bothers them most is that I try to discuss it in a blog and dare defending this woman. Diane was instructed to reenact her response to the attacker who murdered her daughter. Its as if they cant control it. 3. If the grandparents and uncle had visitation rights, they could have respected some rules as far as not discussing the case, but imagine if she had told them that she did not remember? The kind of TV series that they produce on high profile crimes will make sure to turn public opinion. 2.Diane herself has stated that the shooter was outside the car and shot THROUGH the window, no blood spatter. Yeah, Ive noticed a lot of people thing Jim Jagger is Fred Hugi. It gave Anne Rule carte blanche to legally use these labels in her book and it stuck. Nice to see this blog is still active in 2017, being a lot of groupsmessage boards and such, on subjects like this has no activity for years. Not even the gun. Not optional, kids should not be in limbo that long, but it happens all the time. One of them named Angel, called 15-year-old Christie on the phone. And once again, considering that she was diagnosed as bipolar, did not help her cause. Brewer changed his mind. The poor jury went along and Jagger did not put much ofa defense anyway. Instead, it is Diane who fought to keep her children. Carol Kirkwood shared an insight into her recent holiday to Norway with fianc Steve Randall on Wednesday as she shared their first social media post together.. Maybe she wanted to buy drugs. It was pitch black outside. After the trial that convicted Diane Downs, Fred Hugi, the Prosecutor adopted Christie and Danny (they were in foster care for 2 years before he decided to adopt them), the two surviving children. rudy francisco rifle analysis / ford employee profit sharing 2022 / why didn't steve downs get custody. A. 1st, you came back from a trip? It will likely take place very early in the war when John is young. They did a trace metal test to see if Diane had held a gun. On a side note, what do you think of parole of Leslie Van Houton? The whole case is crazy. I cant believe anyone even believes or even follows you. I was curious as to what these requirements were, as I have not seen these online. Hysteria. If I was of a mind to manipulate the Board by giving voice to the words they want me to utter, Id have sold my soul two decades ago when the lies would have benefited me and my youth passed long ago. And I care about the lack of evidence. In 1979, headstrong Diane gave birth to Danny who was not Stevens biological son because he had no desire to be a father again. Ive been to London to Fly the Queen ~ and Back to Collect Artifacts, Haleigh Cummings Was Once Lost but Now She Is Found, Meet Rene Acoby: In-House Female Dangerous Offender, Kelli Stapleton- A Mothers Wuthering Woes. Were they involved in the plot too?? In reply to Nick. It is not my point. You seem to forget that even a few jurors started by voting not guilty on some of the charges. Thanks again. We could say that it was suggestive on his part, but considering how this trial was conducted, I tend to believe it happened. Ms. Downs makes every effort to avoid emotional stimuli in order to reduce the demands made on her. I like the way you keep an open mind about Diane herself and what she may or may not have been going through mentally. It should have been investigated further. Which is itself a redundant practise: the blogger repeatedly states that Downs should be released. What was the rationale behind this? And her mental health should definitely have been a factor to release her with follow up care. It seems that a lot of what was written down never came up during testimony and some nurses even strayed from the original content. This reminds me of what a jail counselor named Rachel Roth said at the trial of Debra Milke Its my opinion that this young woman has been judged in a way that signifies something to do with how we view women in our society. She complained about it, but that does not mean she did not suffer for her kids. It was half baked escape plans that were more in her head than anything and that the media enjoyed blowing out of proportions. had to wait for Christie to be able to tell them who did it. He actually was the one who suggested theybecome intimate after many friendly, platonic conversations. Diane asked for proof that her ex husband was behind the shooting. I dont. When analysing this blog, look at three statements from the blogger: Diane Downs and Alice Crummins were considered sluts Diane was right-handed. In a fairly good knot which would have taken time to do one handed and teeth. I am sorry the meaning of nonsense evades you like the facts of the case in this instance. Not hard to go there. Wrong. It was cited that she keeps her emotions close to the vest. It is not, as the blogger frequently refers to, evidence. He then left !his second wife, Charlene, to cohabitate with (and propose marriage to) Diane. And Steven was free to follow her lead or not. He failed. There was no blood on the front seats so Cheryl was laying down and Christie was asleep laying down and never witnessed anything. Why am I not arguing the facts of the trial? You are telling me to take my smugness elsewhere because it is tiresome. Q. Two jurors had voted that Diane was not guilty of attempted murder or first-degree assault, but endedup voting to convict her of murder. Movie scene alleging that Christie was scared. So, why didn't Steve Downs get custody? They never found the gun and she showed no signs of having fired one. It no longer matters as far as the verdict, she was found guilty, but why no parole? And thats fair enough. Even Ann Rule in her book, keeps mentioning that they only had a few months to get Christie to talk, otherwise they could not keep her away from her mother any longer. They are the ones who considered Dianes children as Small Sacrifices. Foote ruled in favor of the prosecution and against the defenseon most of the admissible evidence questions including all the nurses notes about Danny talking about a man shooting him but admitted Christies reports about her mother shooting her. There is her story, the prosecution case and the defense arguments. The flesh and muscle had been cored three days earlier, but the steel plate and bone graft could not be effected for two weeks (a precaution against infection). There were a few calls and on one occasion, The most frequent remarks I hear about the case when confronted by the state misconduct and the lack of evidence are gut feelings , So the hell with no gun, no GSR, no blood and no witnesses except a sick child who denied knowing who shot them until she could not anymore and happened to be adopted by the prosecutor; making it look like she could never change her mind and reveal that she has no memory of the shooting and maybe have the case reversed. http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v09/n364/a03.html // Prison-happy U.S. must reconsider use of mercy; Carol S. Steiker, professor at Harvard Law School, Sep. 10, 2008 , http://www.philly.com/inquirer/opinion/20080910_Prison-happy_U_S__must_reconsider_use_of_mercy.html // US Prison Population Soars to 2.3Mln People at Annual Cost of $7Bln The US prison population has soared to 2.3 million people costing the government more than $7 billion per year. 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